In community college, they don't spend a whole year working through a calculus textbook; they spend three months. Students in community college also don't go through a level of French in one year, they spend three months, instead. It takes a whole year to get a credit in high school American History. In college, you can finish the course in a quarter or semester. Students will usually take three full courses at a time, then three months later they take another three classes, and then another three classes. In high school, calculus covers...just calculus. In a year of college calculus, students cover calculus 1, calculus 2, and differential equations. This is why...
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My experience with community college classes began after I (a mom of three, my oldest daughter finishing her Senior year) graduated from high school having NOT BEEN COLLEGE BOUND. Had no idea what I wanted to do and took the easiest classes possible in high school. Suddenly facing the reality of supporting myself and seeing all my friends go to college I decided that's what I would do and ...I'd go to the best college in my state. I didn't have the GPA or ACT scores for the University of Michigan, so I went to my local community College for two years. I choose classes that the U of M guidance counselor said would transfer into the Business school. I was going BIG. I graduated from U of M. None of my classmates could imagine how I got in.... The secret is that once you have your associates degree, you've proven you ability to succeed at the college level. Also, transferring into a college or university as a junior is not as competitive as applying as a freshman. So, I am encouraging my kids to finish high school with their AA. Then they can skip all the General Education Requirements and go right into their field of interest. There is a hitch. Depending on how focused a particular degree program is at a given school, you may have to retake a few of your classes at their school. So, you have to pay for retakes, but it insures a level of success for the universities degree program. I'm thinking fields of study like architecture, engineering; you may have to take THEIR MATH CLASSES, or design classes even if you already took comparable classes at another college. So, if your child has a particular goal and university in mind talk to the guidance department from the university they are eventually seeking.
Thank you for sharing your experience! Lee says we should always prepare our children for college, because of that very thing. Teens change their minds. Well done. You made it work!
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My daughter is taking dual enrollment at our Jr College, but she is only allowed to take 6 units/ 7 with permission of the Dean. And unless she passes the Math entrance test she cannot take a lower division math, no high school remedial math. And she cannot take a PE course.
It sounds like your daughter's choices are a bit limited, but you are making it work for you! Well done.
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I simply checked with my local public school and asked THEM how THEY count a semester of dual enrollment. 1 class in 1 semester = 1 year class in high school. No need to count credits.
Good thinking! I wonder if some school districts would handle it differently...
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This is a great reminder as we finish with our youngest who is a junior. Our oldest graduated from H/S with college credit from Taylor Univ. online. Worked very well for us. God Bless Cheryl
Yes, it can be complicated since some schools are semester, some are quarter system.... I think the bottom line is one full college class (however many credits) is equal to one full high school credit. But did you know that each school district will also have their own method of calculating that? So really, we can use a method that make sense and still be OK
Thanks for your thoughtful comment, Debbie!
Just a note to let you know that some community colleges give 3,4,or 5 credits for a three month, one-year equivalent course. Given that, I tell parents that a quarter or semester-long college course is equivalent to one year on the high school transcript, rather than state that so many credits = one year.
I've been saying that to parents since 1998 when our oldest two graduated, and did the same with our youngest of five graduated in June 2010. Those dual credits were also accepted at the Christian colleges and universities they attended after graduating. That usually happens when the course descriptions of the community college catalog is close to that of the university catalog for the same course.
Thanks for keeping us up-to-date, Lee!
I haven't seen this in any of the college I have dealt with, but I have heard other veteran mothers talk about it. It seemed strange to me too! I also wonder if it is different after the AA degree is completed - or if it's only different with an AA degree in Washington State, where we have the joint agreement. It's good to have a heads-up on the possibility, so that you can check into it for your own college.
I have to say that everything I have heard goes against this - Most colleges that I have heard about, say they actually prefer dual credit because it shows the ability to participate and handle a college level course whereas AP does not.
Seems like this would more be private colleges? UW, for example, has a chart on their website that's very informative re: what courses transfer from the CC. Of course, too, if the student completes his AA those issues are no longer. Thanks for your reply.
No all universities believe that classes at community college are rigorous enough to be a college class. For that reason, some homeschoolers choose to take an AP exam after a community college class, so that if the community college credit isn't accepted, they hope the AP credit is accepted. Like MOST things, every university policy is VERY unique, so you want to check. I wouldn't assume one way or the other, and I wouldn't give additional AP exams unless you check with the university first.
WOW, Lee, I didn't know that!!
My daughter is hoping to finish up her junior and senior year together this year. We will see how it works out.